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Hibernation anyone ?
« on: October 12, 2008, 11:11:00 AM »
Hello ! Is there any chippies showing signs of slowing down or anything different yet?
"Alv" n Biz are not at all, as they just chase each other constantly. They are storing a lot of nuts underneath the waterfall feature though, so that could be a sign.
I'm sure I counted Biz with 7 nuts in his chubby cheeks a few days ago. Is this a record?
I just wanted to make a post really  :D

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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2008, 11:30:26 AM »
Hi Gilly,

Mine have also started chasing each other, usually when one of them has food. I always make sure there is enough food for everyone but they seem to want the same nut!! ;D  Mine have also started to burrow deep into the soil whereas before they would just make holes to bury food. They dissappear underneath the soil for a few minutes at a time and come out completely covered in it, it is really funny to watch! It then takes them ages to clean it all off :D

I have been wondering weather or not the chippies would be bothered by the fireworks on Nov 5th? Last year mine were inside so once they were asleep there was no disturbing them. Does anyone know if it will bother them or do they just stay in bed?

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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2008, 11:43:49 AM »
Hi Sarah, thats a good point about Bonfire night! I forgot about it. I'd also like to know if most people who have their chippies outside bring them in?
I had a big shock a few days ago. When I went in to feed them it was dark (5:30 am) and I got caught up on the door. I never saw the chips but closed the door and put out the food n stuff. That evening I could only find Biz  :o
I looked everywhere for Alv but he was missing. All I thought was he had got out when I didn't see. After half an hour he popped up from under the waterfall  :P
Thats when I noticed the stash. Anyway I need another light, solar powered of course.
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2008, 01:03:23 PM »
Mine are indoors but i reckon the fireworks do bother them. Some have been known to get up after a loud band. Being in London we seem to have fireworks all year round now days, lots of different festivals and stuff. Genrally i reckon a chipmunk feels safest in it's nest, so if mine were outdoors, I would leave them where they are. Just keep an eye out for any stray rockets landing on their roof  :o


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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2008, 02:07:53 PM »
Mine are in doors and love to hide there nuts where ever they can at the moment. For some really funny reason (funny to watch) have taken to try and bury each other as well as there nuts. They get each other and cover them over and push each other into the hole where the nuts are. I always find that if they do awake from there boxes by fireworks, if you talk to them and reasure them they are fine and will then go back to bed.

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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2008, 07:13:18 PM »
Good point about them staying in their more familiar enviroment Nate. I'll give them some extra treats that night, (in their box). Be like breakfast in bed lol.
Mazmich, you'll have to film them playing.  :D Get it on youtube.

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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2008, 08:42:04 PM »
I am not expecting a real hibernation this year as it is set to be a mild winter.
I am lucky enough to have an extra long garden and it is over 100ft to the nearest "idiot space" for fireworks so I expect the chips to be warm and cosy and safe in bed when that happens.
At the moment i have to empty out all my pockets when i leave the aviary not only of peanuts but chips as they get friendlier every day and more confident with familiarity.
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2008, 11:16:57 PM »
Am I turning in to Victor Meldrew, because I think fireworks should be banned. I didn't really give them much thought before I had pets, but now I just can't see the fascination. It's like setting light to ten pound notes and waving them around. Should fireworks be limited to public displays, or am I just encouraging the nanny state, I'll shut up now. :D

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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2008, 04:04:39 AM »
I am abit worried about Pearl, as earlier when i went to clean her cage she wasn't out and it wasn't until i went to take their digging container out of their cage that i noticed her, she was lying in there and i really thought she was dead at first as she didn't look right and when i felt her she was icy cold and the eye i could see was tightly closed making her look even more like she was dead. But it wasn't until i looked more closely and picked her out of the cage that i saw one eye was open but the other one was still tightly closed. I held her for awhile and noticed that she was breathing but i knew something wasn't right the fact that she was allowing me to hold her and not trying to escape. I held her for awhilein my hands and then placed her on my lap, she opened the other eye and started to slowly move around but rather shakily on her legs and for about half an hour she was still awake but not moving a lot but gradually she started to move around more and at one point nearly climbed up the chair. I placed her back in her cage, now she was trying to get out of my hands. Once in the cage though she became a bit subdued again and went in the box. I realised i wouldn't be able to keep an eye on her in the nest box where Abigail was sleeping. Pearl came out and i placed her in the travel carrier with some soft hay and some kitchen paper to line the bottom, at first she was jumping to get out but quickly settled down , ate somethiing, started shredding the paper and then she went to sleep. I placed the carrier near the radiator to try and warm her a bit. She is more active now so i've just put her back in the cage, hopefully she will be alright now. She has had some water to drink and as i am writing this i can see her moving about. It's amazing to see her almost normal as earlier about 7 she really looked in a bad way and i feared the worst. I don't know what happened. My dad said about hibernation and i said well she is used to hiberating in her old home but she has no need here as the temperature was the right temperature, it didn't seem cold enough, the symptons she was showing those fitted with hiberation, i think her heart rate was slower and she had slow movement. I've never had a chipmunk hiberate before and i can say that the day before she was fine, she was active and looked well. I think we may have had a hamster hibernate once, who again was inside the house and i moved it to some warmth and it became active again. Another thought was she might have had an accident and gone into shock which could have explained her skaky movements. I had a white chipmunk once who fell off the top shelve and i think went into shock, similarly to Pearl, Creamie looked almost dead but at a closer look was breathing so i placed her in a travel carrier and watched her, it took awhile but she slowly became active again, and like with Pearl i thought it was a miracle as it looked bad. I think she did get brain damage as she no longer could run around the cage, she just walked around and used all the mesh to get around instead of jumping from one side to the other. We thought she would always be brain damaged but about a year or so later one day she became fully active again and could run around, climb normally and jump, again another miracle. I guess i will never know what happened to Creamie or what has happened yesteday with pearl. I just hope she will recover and it will not happen again.I wonder if it could have been hibernation. Does anyone have any ideas? as we are at a loss to an explanation to Pearl's miraculous recovery.
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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2008, 04:33:51 AM »
Hi Jenny. I intended to reply to your other posts in length when I have some more time, but read this one as it came in and I have to reply now. I'm up funny hours too :0

I don't think this is good, it's not normal for a chipmunk, and I am confident it is not to do with hibernation. I don't want to alarm you now, I'm not a vet, so I can only tell you what I would do. I would take Pearl straight to my vets for tests. Now my vet is very good and he has lots of experience with chipmunks, he will also go the extra mile for me, so I hope your vet is the same.  I think you need to have some tests done on Pearl, you probably won't get an answer straight away, your vet will probably need to send samples away. It's expensive but with some things if caught early they can be helped.

I will say that with some vets they may just see a £35 chipmunk and sometimes not tell you about all of the options available, this is for you to judge, as you know your vet better than I could. If you think he/she doesn't know, then either press for some proper tests or use another vet. Sorry, I am writing this in the dark so to speak, it's just i think this could be something serious, so please don't let it pass, as from what I've read, it's not the result of a recent fall or connected to hibernation.

There are some experienced chipmunk owners on this forum, so if they read this, please jump in to give your advice if you think I'm being over the top.

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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2008, 11:26:27 AM »
Hi - I agree with Nate - a trip to the vets is definitely in order

These symptoms sound VERY similiar to a chippie that I rescued that had MBD - metabolic bone disease.

He would sleep for hours on end and as he'd been abused in the garden centre that I got him from, I was at a loss to know what to do.  Unfortunately, I lost him and it wasn't until quite a while after he died that I realised that all his symptoms fitted MBD. 

I posted some information on the forum a while back regarding this condition - I think it's under 'Calcium Rich Foods' - or something like that  ???

Can you give us an idea about your chippie's diet so we can understand what her calcium/phosphorous intake is like ?

Try to print some information out about MBD and take it to the vet with you.

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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2008, 12:17:53 AM »
Hi thanks very much for your replies. When i got up today Pearl wasn't around and i was a bit worried, but not long before i left to go to southend, she appeared and eat some food, had water and was moving normally and everything so i felt a bit relieved but now i'm worried again after reading your replies. I don't really know about metabolic bone disease, i don't remember it being mentioned in any of my chipmunk books so its new to me. Doghouse i will have a look at what you wrote on the calcium rich food post to see if i can find out more information.

The diet i feed all my chipmunks is mainly chipmunk food with some hamster food which has dried fruit in it. Once a week i mix this in with the chipmunk food. The chipmunk food i feed every other day. As well as that they get fruit, salad food such as tomatoes, lettuce, cucumber and some vegetables, usually a bit of what i'm eating. They get different types of nuts. I have cuttlefish bones in the cages and they also get fed every so often hamster nut and fruit sticks. Up to now i've never had a problem with any of my chipmunk's diet, but Pearl wasn't originally my chipmunk, i've only had her about a month so i don't know much about her original diet, only that she was fed hamster food (which was given to me by her existing owner) I've wrote more about what my chipmunks are eating in calcuim rich foods.

About vets, there did used to be a vet near where i lived that specialised in chipmunks but i don't know if they are still there as it was years ago i went there, it was with chip my very first chipmunk female who i had mistaken as being pregnant. I'll see if i can find out. Other than that the vet my cats go to is pet's at home vet, which i'm not sure they deal with chipmunks, they should do as they used to sell them, that was several years ago now. The vet may see a chipmunk to be a cheap pet but to me she's a part of my family, loved like my other chipmunks, cats and family and i don't want anything bad to happen to her if it can be prevented. I will have a talk with my dad and grandparents (as i'm at their house at the moment) about metabolic bone disease and see what they say. I'll mention about the vet and see what i can do, i'm not what their opening hours are the vet i first mentioned but the pets at home one is open until the evening which may be easier, but i'll try and look into it.

Doghouse, you mentioned that your boy chippie would sleep along time and i have to say that Peal does that too, since i've had her she doesn't come out like the other four but i had put that down to her not being very happy in the cage but now i don't know. My other four are active almost all day, from morning until evening and then they all get up several times during the night, all except Asriel who sleeps right through the night getting up 7am. Pearl is never usually up early in the morning and not always when i get home in the afternoon, She is more likely out late evening and then she may come out several times that evening/night but doesn't remain out long, just has something quickly to eat, has some water and has a quick wander around the cage then goes back into her box. When she is out if i go over to the cage, she comes over for some nuts and is very friendly.

I'll let you know how she gets on.
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2008, 12:03:04 PM »
Hi Jennyb

The chippie that I 'think' had MBD was one that I bought from a Garden Centre pet shop.  He and his brother were in a bare cage with nothing apart from a nest box, a bowl of food and a water bottle.  When I asked to see them, the girl shook both chippies out of their nest box and they landed on the floor of the cage with a thud !!  Although, you should never buy an animal on impulse, I was darned if I was going to leave those poor little souls to their fate in that god forsaken place.

I brought them home and they were my first ever chippies - One of the brothers came out quite a bit to start with but was obviously terrified - naturally.  The other one slept either in the next box or in a large cardboard tube that I had and never moved really unless he was made to.

Eventually I set up CCTV in order that I could see what they were doing at night time.  They did come out for food and water but the poorly one used to go straight back into his box afterward.

Eventually he passed away unfortunately and I always thought that he may have suffered brain damage from being shaken out of the nest box - and that may still be the case but having read a lot more about MBD, I've convinced that's what he had.

In your situation though, Pearl has got access to a cuttle bone and usually the chippies naturally know what they're lacking and will munch on that.   If I was you, I'd put a little dish of strawberry yoghurt in their cage and see if she'll eat some of that.  If she doesn't, keep trying different flavours.  Mine had Muller Rice yesterday and loved it  :P

Have a look at the link I've put on the Calcium rich food post as it details the pitfalls with inverted calcium/phosphorous ratios - If you need any further help, just shout or PM me

Just before my chippie passed away, he started having little seizures and even though I took him to the vet, they could find nothing wrong with him - they didn't know about MBD then either - I've subsequently changed vets ;)

MBD can sometimes take weeks or months to develop so it maybe that she had a poor diet previously and it's all caught up with her.

HOWEVER - it may not be MBD at all and diagnosis by forum is always nigh on impossible.  I would still take her to the vets, take as much info about MBD as possible and see what they suggest.

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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2008, 12:27:00 PM »
Hi Jenny, the food she is getting now all sounds fine, and the photos you put up looked great, in that they didn't look under weight. I agree with doghouse that it's impossible to try and diagnose on a forum, but for the small cost of a trip to the vets it's often the best thing to do. But I can say only from my experience the behavior you describe is nothing like I have come across, and sounds to me like Pearl had a seizure. The Dilute chipmunks are more prone to illness in my opinion.

Don't be put off from from using the Pets at Home Vets, I use a vets practice that is based in one of their shops. They don't actually work directly for Pets at Home, but because that shop used to keep chipmunks they have dealt with more chips than most vets. I found that that my vet has much more knowledge than the vets I have just up the road from mes, which is the Royal Veterinary College.

Doghouse135 , reading your last post, I have shy chipmunk and also bought a CCTV so I can monitor him, small world hey. I've also come across ill treated chipmunks in pet shops which I've found very hard to resist taking home. But I've also thought if I buy them, the shop will only get a replacement chipmunk to sell. I just telephone the council, so that the shop will either stop selling live animals or do it properly. But it is the hardest thing to walk away from a chipmunk you know is suffering like that.

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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2008, 01:58:40 PM »
You're right Nate - my head told me not to buy them because they will only get more to sell - but my heart couldn't let them stay there - it makes me so angry to see animals being mistreated this way  >:(

I reported it to the authorities - council, RSPCA etc and told as many people as I could and thankfully I've never seen chippies in there since  ;D
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