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mag050928

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« on: June 06, 2010, 09:40:30 PM »
hi i need some advice i have 3 indoor they are a year old but my daughter has bought a kitten and i would rather put the chippys outside pluse they will have bigger space to run around and fresh air as well i have ordered a 8x6 shed that's coming this week i plan to insulate and wire inside and i will be building an aviary onto in to give then access to out doors i am planning to have this done for July depending on the weather i live in Scotland some advice on the insulation please and is July too late for them getting used to the weather for winter we are getting snuggle safe pad that you heat in the microwave it keeps your pets bed warm upto 12 hours and also i am putting in a safty porch if its too late i will just keep them indoors till next year any advice from building on the shed or anything else will be welcomed thanks mag

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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2010, 12:16:37 AM »
First congrats on joining the outdoor crew :icon_bounce: as for the shed and conversion where can we begin ??? :icon_scratch: first whatever insulation you choose for the inside of the shed it will need to be enclosed with ply wood at least before putting mesh over the top of that. Depending on the site the shed is going to be and also on what standard of shed it is I would suggest that you only need to insulate the north/north east/west side depending on prevailing winds and to do this I would attach insulation to the outside panels probably with something like rush fencing:- http://www.primrose-london.co.uk/natural-fencing-screening-rush-metre-rolls-p-2966.html something like that, not only will it hold-tight any kind of insulation but it will appear more natural and friendly for other little insects and bugs during the winter.
As for the outside if your shed is standard then One assumes the height of the side panels to the eaves of the roof will be 5' 8" with a window in one side....If so then use the window as access to the outside but where possible make it south/southwest facing however long you wish to extend it outwards will of course depend on availability  but you should try to make this extension slant upwards away from the side of the shed to a minimum height of 6' to facilitate standing up easier. I would build an air-locked door into this part of the construction for ease of entry.
Inside the shed is a different matter depending on how much of the space you wish to use. The easy option is to make a shelf level with the bottom of the window frame and sit nest boxes on it my option would be to make it 2 thirds chips one third human. I would build an interior frame to separate these sections again incorporating an air-lock system.
Outside on the ground if paving slabs pr concrete are not used then I would double mesh a wooden frame to sit on the ground and cover it with bark.
It goes without saying that the floor in the shed should be meshed also.

Option two is a similar one but using the gable end opposite the entrance door and making entrance holes for the chips to get in and out of course the gable end would then need to be south/southwest facing allowing also for prevailing winds, as for snuggle safe pads or such things I would try and discourage their use, chipmunks are hardy little creatures who are renowned for their ability to live in the harshest of conditions hence some are known as Siberian chipmunks I lived for a while on the west coast at the head of loch fyne and kept chipmunks outside all year round and they loved it and I did not have the luxury of a shed for them just a well padded north facing wall on which their nest boxes were.
The trouble with giving the chips heated pads or such things is that during winter they will not do what chipmunks are supposed to and that is sleep tight in the warmth of their own natural nest when the weather is against them and they will believe because they have this artificial heat it is fine enough to go outside which will ultimately harm them.

As for the timing the sooner the better to give them a chance to build up not only their fat reserves but their secret squirrel hoards for winter given a never ending supply of peanuts hazel nuts and any other kind of nuts and seeds they will do well out doors. Don't forget however that when you are making the outside aviary build in or place in a chair or bench for those days when you have the chance to spend quality time with them and sit comfortably :wave: :wave:
Hope these couple of things give you Ideas......
CHIPMUNKS;LIKE ALL ANIMALS ARE FOR LIFE NOT JUST FOR FASHION STATUS.

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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2010, 01:54:26 PM »
hi tarcus thanks very much for your good advice as always i will leave the heat pads and follow your advice i am excited about moving them to there new home but hubby's all worried about them being outside and the hibernating i think the chippys will love it and on good day we can go in and watch them also we have decking near them to sit and watch from we are arguing about whats best for them and i think outdoors but hubby's afraid of what had happened to your chippys with the scum bags who let them free my heart went out to you when i read your post your always the first to help out with advice and you can tell that you cared for your chippys so much a big thankyou for all your help even last year when i was new to being a chipmunk owner now i am addicted and they are so spoiled even the kids will say is that more stuff for the chippys you just cant help your self i can wait to get the shed and get started i will post pictures as we go along thanks

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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2010, 02:53:27 PM »
Don't let the toe rags from down here affect your decisions I doubt they know where Scotland is on a map never mind get there :sign10: I have seen glimpses of my little crew on walks with the dogs but they have learned very quickly to stay away from humans I think and anything else that may want to eat them :toothy4: I am sure they will adapt and i may see little ones next spring, the best thing about them is their resilience for me, look forward to seeing some great pics as you argue about which way is south/south west...One more piece of advice unless you already have one buy a staple gun it makes attaching the mesh so much easier :hello:
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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2010, 07:29:45 PM »
We too are in Scotland.  We've used a corner of the garden, taking advantage of our neighbours garage wall and the natural garden wall and built our enclosure there.  My husband started ours 2 years ago in July and they were in and settled for the end of August.   

We don't have any insulation, tho there is two parts to their cage. The first, with the 'airlock' takes you into their indoor section where their beds are. the other one is through a louvre door into their outdoor area which has open double mesh (we have cats - well did have three, down to one just now).

Their nexts are tall boxes, and were on the floor.  Until last Christmas when we had sub sub zero temperatures and I felt so sorry for them that they are now on a raised mesh frame, and each box has a well protected low watt bulb under them.  Which was on a timer for an hour or so at nights, just to keep the chill from them.  I found that there was a fair bit of condensation in their boxes and their hay was damp, so this helped dry that off too.

With regards to the hibernation, I suppose it did inhibit this a bit, but at least they came out and I could check they were okay.  They faired fine.  I did't want to take the chance of them having nothing when it was so unusually bitterly cold.

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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2010, 11:00:59 AM »
hi thanks for your advice i would not be able to run power up to the shed as its a good bit from the house so thats why i will insulate the shed i notice you live in scotland south lanarkshire i am also from south lanarkshire i hope to have the shed and the chippys in for july should have had the shed but there has been a delay so maybe get it next week i never thought about the hay getting damp i will have to watch out for that but thankyou for your information how many chippys do you have and how old? i found it very hard to get chippys it was just by luck someone put an advert in the paper as the petshops had none